Category: Let's talk
I would like the Zone's opinion on this subject do you think its a good thing to talk away to a 22month old child who can't really answer in words..or do you think the frustration they feel at being unable to speak will be detrimental to their well being..and cause them to resent being spoken to as if they are able to coherently respond.
I'm not sure that I think that they do feel frustration at all. I mean think about it? How does the child learn to talk in the first place if not by learning from the adults talking around them? I say the more a child is spoken to on a coherent well articulated manner, the better and more expancive his or her vocabulary is going to be in the future. I talk to my little cousins all the time, about what ever comes into my head, and never using this baby talk people will persist in using when talking to toddlers. children learn from example, so I say set a good one from word go in all areas. `
Any child I have shall be introduced to the concepts of trial transcripts, witness statements, particulars of claim defences and expert reports as early as possible. you see, research suggests that one learns the most when one is either in the womb or immediately afterwards. So, any child that I may have in the future shall, on any afternoons off I have, be treated to an afternoon in front of a DVD such as 'a history of britain by simon Schama' or something of that nature.
LL I sincerely hope that was sarcasm come on! Grin.
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Puggle I agree we do know from being involved in Louis's progress that children benefit from hearing music in the womb particularly Beethoven and Mozart..so we gave Alasdair as much as we felt he could handle.I have had many wonderful conversations with my nephew but I wonder how much he's really taking in does it sound like blah di blah Louis blah di blah..smile `
Well of course it's a good idea to talk away to any babies, toddlers, children etc. because that is how they learn words! Most children start using words way before 22 months anyway. LL excellent choice of DvD for a little one, I am sure they would greatly enjoy anything by the very erudite Simon indeed. Frey.
It's a marvelous series that, even though I take issue with several of the things he says about the Tudors. wolsey was a great diplomat and Cromwell wasn't all bad (and here I mean Thomas Cromwell, not Oliver Cromwell). One thing I shall never forget from my history A-level was how one historian of the time summed up the exclusion crisis of 1681: 'The grave house of commons, by hook or by crook, resolved to root out both the pope and the duke. but let 'em move, let 'em vote, let 'em pass what they will, for the bishops, the bishops, wil throw out the bill. It is historical soundbites like this that ought to be the staple diet of your child, goblin. AS Mr Gradgrind said in Dickens' 'Hard times' 'Now, what I want is fact. Teach these children facts.'
I have a two year old son and I have always talked to him, from the very outset, and, for a boy, his speech is very advanced ... no offence to any of my male fellow zoners, but it is a proven fact that girls talk earlier, and more than boys ... well we're women! it's what we do! lol, but Nathan's speech is way ahead of other boys his age, and where experts say that at 2 children should be able to put two words together, and by two and a half they should be able to put three words together, nathan, at 2 years and 2 months can put 5/6 word sentences together, and I put this down to two things. firstly, I talk to him all the time! I tell him what I'm doing, where we#re going, what the weather is like, what we're having to eat, I read him stories, we play games with his toys ... and I think that has helped him develop a good vocabulary. Secondly, most children, before they speak, point to the item they want, and it is subsequently given to them by their parent, but as I am totally blind, Nathan never learned to point, so he learned from an early age to communicate properly, and therefore make himself understood.
Indeed I subscribe to that theory completely, except the bit about girls talking earlier, another proven fact of Sugarbaby's that isn't actually proven I'm afraid in that I've read some research to the contrary. but reading to your children is always a very good idea apparently, except perhaps if you'r esomeone like David Beckham I suppose!
Young children take in more than the words spoken for they also take in the manner of the how the words are spoken to them. When reading it is good to put action, movement into your words, giving a feeling of life to the story. I am sure you must know what I am speaking of. You know, to not sound stale and lifeless, a bore. As a young child I remember a cousin, she was old enough to be my parent. Well she spoke in funny types of rhymes, not baby talk, just in a way that would make for words to like tickle one's thinking and it would cause the listener to crave to listen to more of her stories and rhymes. I think this encourages good listening skills. As a child listens to sounds there comes the point where the child is given to more so speak forth rather than listening. Now where are those ear plugs. *smile*
Just as everyone else said, you should talk to your child offten. You are building vocabulary and bonding as well. Never mind if it looks silly or whatever. He may not understand at first, but I'm sure your little one is listening.
hmm, interesting, interesting
I would definitely say talk to yoru child. My mom said she talked constantly to me, and look how I turned out! Lol I'm just joking. If you dont' want a serial board poster on yoru hands, or a serial talker, then don't talk to your kid! Lol I'm just joking again. But no, I totally recommend talking to your child, no matter how young. Though I wouldn't necessarily just say venting and negative stuff and so on.
Caitlin
Children I doubt feel any anger that they can't respond. The child isn't even two yet, so no worries there. Heh! Just be happy and the child will be happy, i think!
Caitlin
well considering how many people I know with girls and how many with boys, and the girls all talk way way earlier, and have a greater vocabulary than boys, in fact it is said to be the case that girls have twice the vocabulary of boys by the time they are 3 years old.
yep I have always said that I'd talk to my child from the very beginning with none of that "babytalk" people insist on using. I almost crindge when I hear that "gogogahgah" talk!
It is also important to always have open communication with your child. I think you need the patience to answer every question your child has (when they're old enough of course to ask ask ask) because I have been on the train or something at various times, and the poor kids can be heard saying "mum what's this? what's that?" and all they'd get is "shut up" or worse things. On the other hand, I have to smile with delight when I hear some mothers being extremely patient with their children and not only take the time to answer their many questions, but also to talk to them additionally "look at that out the window" etc.
Okay, now we're agreed on this, let me add another question to this discussion: if you could pick two famous people to be parents, which famous couple would tell the most crazy or exciting bedtime stories? Or, alternatively, which parents would tell the most boring bedtime stories? I'll start the ball rolling if I may: for crazy and/or exciting or sinister bedtime stories, how about Don King as a dad and Steph Macmahon as a mum? and for boring parents, how about Sir Winston Churchill and Madellin albright?
Nah I wouldn't put Sir Winnie down as boring, I think Posh N Becks would be top of my list for boring...As for exciting well I'll have to think about that one errrm Billy Connolly and JK Rowling perhaps? Frey.
Thankyou for the input as for the interesting couples how about Vlad Tepes and Mary Whitehouse! Try telling Vlad the Impaler he cant read a bedtime story about his favourite past time
No no no for horror stories, the best couple would have to be Harold Shipman and Rosemary West. they could read Jack the Ripper's diaries to their children last thing at night.
I agree with RdFreak, I don't appreciate baby talk at all. And also, I hear people talking that way to mentally challenged people and it makes me sick! I tlak to them like regular people, whether they understand or not!
Caitlin
Caitlyn I am disappointed in you, dragging this topic back to its serious genesis. Surely someone full of youthful imagination like yourself dould come up with a couple of nightmare parents?
Nightmare parents? What does that have to do with anything? hehehehe... and well you guys were confusing me. I had to do somethign to make myself look less clueless. Lol.
Caitlin
Caitlyn, you're a wonderfully entertaining poster most of the time, but look at the rest of the topic before you post and I promise that this should reduce the risk of being confused. Now then, had you looked above, you'd have seen that the discussion has taken a direction involving zoners giving their idea of parents who would be the most boring, most exciting, tell the best horror stories etc. and these have to be parents made up of well-known figures, historical or otherwise, even notorious criminals.
But I thought this topic was about talking to children! Lol. Now it's about parents? I must have missed that.
Caitlin
And no one commented on how people always talk to mentally challenged people as though they're children. I was hoping to get some agreement, that that is a stupid thing to do and should be stopped.
Caitlin
Caitlin I do agree with you that the mentally challenged ought not to be talked to as children. And Yes this topic is about the manner we talk to children and given that for many young children/toddlers/babies who are not placed in day care rather who have one or both parents with them on a regular basis and who Yes, hopefully talk with their young ones the topic then went to the type of talks parents ought to be having or perhaps not having with their children and thus the thot of who would make excellent parents and who would make poor parents. Maybe this explanation helps?
couldn't have summed up this hotchpotch better myself. Now, how about parents most likely to keep their children awake at night by talking too loudly? My proposal for this would be Brian Blessed and Margaret Thatcher.
Who are Bryan Blessed and the thatcher person? Lol.
Caitlin
P.S. LL, what do you think about the Mentaally CHallenged being talked to like that?
Now wait a minute, you don't know who Margaret Thatcher is? she's only one of the most famous British prime ministers, whatever you thought of her policies! she was prime minister between 1979 and 1990 and I'm sure the US education will find room to mention her to you somewhere. As for brian blessed he's a famous actor in Britain. He was in the film 'Captain Hook' I believe. Needless to say, both Margaret and brian have bery lou booming voices.
Ah. Never heard of either of them sorry. Complain to my teachers. They sound cool though. And yeah, booming voices'll do it.
Caitlin
P.S. LL, you still haven't ansewred my question.
Ah yes, your question. Well the problem with mental disabilities is that each person with them is a different individual. In general, I despise talking down to a person who suffers from a mental disability. I can see, however, that sometimes it may be necessary i.e. to pacify or defuse a situation. I don't in any way condone patronizing such people, though.
Caitlyn dear, the last thing Maggie Thatch is is 'cool', believe me you are lucky not to have heard of that harridan. This country has never been the same since her reign of terror I'm sure you will agree LL eh hmmm? Frey.
I cannot endorse those sentiments I'm afraid. Maggie thatcher was bloody marvellous.
I think you should back up your assertion with some firm evidence eh LL...and quickly!
I think you should back up your assertion with some firm evidence eh LL...and quickly!
Marilyn Manson and the pope! And thats my final offer..grin
Maggie Thatcher was bloody marvellous in that she took hold of the miners and stopped the strike, decentralised the civil service and modernised it to meet the needs of modern britain, and of course reduced the tax burden from 98 pence in the pound that it had previously reached under Mr Grim callaghan, sorry Jim Callaghan, to abolish all the higher rates of income tax above 40 percent in the 1988 budget. she also refused to be subservient to either Brussels or the US. You tonr if you want to, this lady's not for turning and all that.
Unions, poll tax, NHS and there's much more where that came from. Maggie brought the country to it's knees and we're still trying to get over it....Frey.
ooooooh now we've reached political debate here! while I shall not be voting for Tony blare in the next election, Freya is right! Maggie brought this country down! so hence I shall not vote for Michael howard either, if he can stay leader for long enough that is, I mean it's been a while now since the tori's had a new leader isn't it? lol
All an inverted pyramid of piffle I'm afraid. It wasn't Maggie who increased the tax burden to 98 pence in the pound, was it? It wasn't under Maggie that the country suffered routine cuts in basic utilities such as gas and electricity each winter, nor was it Maggie who presided over the winter of discontent. Sugarbaby, one thing you should look at even if you're not a fan of Maggie's, is Michael Howard's policies for the here and now: there are some marked differences from and breaks with Thatcherite policies e.g. the Tories would restore the link between earnings and the state pension.
Hi LL, back to my question about talking down to people with mental disabilities. I totally agree with you--to mollify, appease, etc., sure, talk to them as though they're younger, if necessary. But I hate it, just cannot stand it, when people are all, "Hiiii, how are yoooo today? Awww you're so cute," in that stupid high voice. It just really bugs me. It did ever since I was little. There was a girl in my elementary school who was learning disabled, but she could communicate with sign language and stuff I think. I don't really remember. But I remember I couldn't really communicate with her, I'd just talk and her aid would liek tell me her expressions and stuff, because I think she could kind of understand others. Anyway, all the other kids would talk to her like she was a toddler and I used to yell at them. Lol.
Caitlin
Indeed, I can't remember exactly how I answered this question when it was put to me by yourself last weekend, but I believe my answer was of a similar tenor to that which you have just expressed.
Well! If my post is an inverted pyramid of piffle, then yours is a collapsed souffle LL........c'mon we all know Maggie was an old bag just admit it honey!
The pyramid of piffle continues to grow I see.
And the souffle continues to collapse as we speak...
Not a souffle fan, although it's ages since I had it.
Cait! I aggree with you. I hate how mintally challanged people are ttalked to. it drive me sooo fucking nuts!
Yeah ti was LL. Heh. And I would highly doubt, as I have said before, I would be as talkative today as I am if my parents hadn't talked to me when i was little hehehe.
Caitlin
some zoners might be wishing that your parents had takled to you an awful lot less then lol.
For takled, read talked.
Caitlin just so you know, I am NOT one of those Zoners that in any way would have desired your parents to have talked to you less. You are an asset on this sight. You come across as a sweet refreshing young lady and never do you take an attitude of knowing it all, rather when in doubt of what is being said you respond with the asking of quesstions.
Oh good lord not this again!
Well LL you are the one who started it in Post #49. You have only yourself to blame.
No, I didn't start it. It was the glowing report of Caitlyn in post number 51 to which I was referring, jokingly of course. If you've read that 'give us a break' etc. topic you'll notice many similar posts, hence my 'not this again!' post. Like I say, though, it was meant in jest.
Well what I said was NOT meant in jest. When Alex made his remarks he was serious for he felt that mass posting at that time by Caitlin was a bit much and stood by his remarks. Furthermore his remarks were directed to Caitlin and Yes perhaps they ought to have been done through a PM and the good that came out of all of it was that Caitlin was given to enjoy the lengthly discussion that followed. Did I say lengthly, I meant SUPER lengthly discussion. Anyhow the point being was I took offence, perhaps Caitlin won't but I did for you not only came up against Caitlin but her Parents as well. To me a person can knock me all they want but go up against my Parents or other loved one in my life and I will be given to take issue. Well, in this case I like Caitlin and for you to make these unnecessary remarks, jesting or not, I find to be offensive. Maybe LL if you took more time to consider the meaning of the content of your words rather than if they are spelled correctly or not it would be better for all concerned.
wake up and smell the coffee Connie....errrm cappucino perhaps?
Just a minute just a minute just a minute! Whose parents have I been criticising? CG be a touch more careful, please. my 'oh good lord not this again' was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the 'give us a break' topic which contains several glowing commendations of Caitlin, to which I also contributed. Did I say they weren't deserved commendations? Did I? I think not. You'll also note that the post that begins 'some zoners would wish that...' etc. ends with a 'lol' which clearly indicated I was joking. add to this the fact, CG, that you've inexplicably overlooked viz. that on the 'give us a break' topic I actually side with caitlin! Let's have no more of this nonsense then now eh? If Caitlin is offended by what I said then she knows me well enough to tell me so and she'll of course receive an apology, but CG, I suggest that your displeasure with me is undeserved.
Well perhaps LL if your parents had talked with you alot less....
CG the immaturity of that response does not really do you justice. You criticise me for saying something, and then say it yourself. I'm sorry that you feel like that about what I write, but can say no more.
And, as I said before, if Caitlin wishes me to apologise for any comments made in connection with her (Not that I am saying that I commented adversely upon her or any aspect of her personality or contributions to the zone) she knows me well enough to tell me, in which case i would be happy to apologise. Before you get all high and mighty, therefore, bear that in mind CG.
Awww CG thank you for your compliments, and dont' worry I'm sure LL was just joking, he has expressed to me that he enjoys reading my posts, so don't worry, lol, I feel special knowing you all respect me! Hehehe! Thank you to all of you, no hard feelings, hee hee hee! So thanks CG for your kind words, and LL for that little joke heheh. I'm sure my parents wish they hadnt' talked to me so much at times too! Lol! Jkjkjkjk! Anyway, talking is fun and it's a good way to learn and grow, so yay for that! Anyway, I will sign off for now. THanks to all for reading this long winded post!
Caitlin
Thank god for that. sanity returns. Thought I were in trouble there for a minute!
I began talking to my little girl from the moment she was born. i too played with her a lot, read to her, sang to her, and sometimes just talked about anything and everything I could posibly talk to her about. Like, what I dreamed for her, and hoped she could do, and be, as she grew.
My daughter who is five, sometimes blows me away by some of the entelligent things she says, and the way she says it. And, I think, she could possibly outask the average five year old, but then again I could be wrong, as it is very common for children to ask questions of their parents and everyone they know.
Also, my daughter has learned to talk to me about how she is feeling, and things that are hurting/upseting her, as aposed to keeping it all inside, as I did.It has helped both of us through many circumstances, because I've always told her, that if anything happend to her that made her feel uncomfortable, or anyone tried to hurt her in any way, that she was to tell me, so I could help her, and take care of her, and keep her safe.
Also, I try to involve her in my everyday life decisions, especially when they concern her, as most all of my decisions do.
there was a story on the news today that said that a lot of children in the UK are entering the school system unable to have a proper conversation because their parents don't talk to them enough, and don't take the time to talk to them, sing nursery rhymes with them etc.
I know Sugarbaby these days too many parents just sit their kids in front of tv/video games instead of talking or reading or playing with them...Frey.
Hi all. I really think that a parent should talk to a young child in a normal way. My parents never talked to me like a baby when I was younger, so that's how I know.
Hiya All! FIrst, ahahahah to LL. Second, go Charis, you rock, that's exactly what I'm hoping to do with my children, if/when I have them. And SugarBaby, yeah, that doesn't surprise me. And Freya your right, video games and TV are totally raising today's children. It's horrible!!! Like half my friends are overly obsessed with video games. And I mean I go on teh computer a lot, but I'm not playing games, I'm making friends and takling with these intelligent people I meet online (cough cough). And NetGirl, yup, your'e right too! You're all right! Lol! Caitlin
I do think it is ok to talk to a child that age. It helps them with speach in my opinion. You can also sign to a baby and because they are like a sponge at that age they will learn quickly to mimic it. I think there was a study done here and the babys did very well. Some mothers read to their child wile in the womb. In my opinion the more interaction you have with the child the brighter and happier it will be. Melody was spelling words like Mississippi at 2 years old new her alphabet and learned her presidents, states and capitals by 5. Any time I handed her some thing I would spell it. nothing was ever handed to her with out it being spelled and sounded out. Now she is 7 and loves to speak different languages, is very into that. She is slow in some areas due to her lack of sight, but never stops trying. I still give her the word of the day and definiton and she loves that. One of the reason I do this is because of my own lack of education. I don't want that for her. I want her to know as much as possible and to take the world in her hand, not the other way around. Anyhow that is just my opinon and way of doing things.
I used to sing to Nathan all the time when he was a baby and he loved it. in fact it seems that a favourite among babies is the teddy bear's picnic! lol. Most babies i hold go to sleep if i sing that to them - now either that's because they like the song, or my singing is that bad that they think if they pretend they're asleep i might stop, lol. But Nathan is 2 and 2 months now, he can count to 10, and he recognizes the letters a b d e k m and n from the alphabet, according to what they're for of course ... m for mummy ... etc. I think that's pretty good going smiles